Hi, he's Dave Shumka, and he's Graham Clark, and together we host Stop Podcasting Yourself.

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Hello everybody and welcome to episode number 760 of Stop Podcast Yourself, my name's Graham Clark.

And with me as always is a, well a guy that I got to see twice out in the world in the past week,

which was fantastic for me, Mr. Dave Shumka.

I don't remember.

Oh yeah, no, at one time you were sitting, eating, having a beer and a snack.

Yep.

And one time was it just you were walking past while my kids were walking the dogs?

Yes.

And I said, hey Graham, and I can't stop at times in one week, I love it.

And your dogs were fighting, not fighting, but trying to get attention for other dogs.

Yeah, they're, they're a problem.

What we just switched to front clip harnesses and the pulling is on the way down.

Okay.

With those were, those were old school just neck harnesses.

Those were back harnesses.

Those were, yeah, they just had the clips on the back.

They kind of look like sports bras.

We call them their sports bras.

Yeah, if a dog did wear sports bras, it would have to be in boltable.

Oh, yes.

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