As we all know, it comes down to, oftentimes comes down to a lot, comes down to a bounce, comes down to, you know, comes down to a penalty flag that gets called that gets thrown that should have been thrown.

We've seen all kinds of stuff like that.

I mean, the league is just so incredibly competitive that, I mean,

any, once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen.

And now, Grand Napier! Great to have you on board, really looking forward to my guest upcoming in just a moment, but first I want to tell you that today's podcast is brought to you by New Works Plumbing of Sacramento, Locally owned for over 20 years for your plumbing needs and repairs.

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My guest on today's podcast is a guy that I think is truly one of the very best of what he does.

The radio voice of the Dallas Mavericks since 2005 does... does college

basketball, he does college football, college basketball, he's done the NFL,

a lot of extra things on Westwood One,

and we love debating the Cowboys and the Giants,

although probably not a lot today,

the great Chuck Guppers.

Chuck, how are you, man?

Wherever you want to go, Grant, I'm good.

That's really, if that's where, if you're very hung up on that in late June, then let's go right ahead.

You know what, then you fit in Dallas perfectly right now.

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