Welcome everybody to episode 76 of the A&E Graham Journey podcast. This is the Jolster.

It's a nickname that my son gave me recently. Not nearly as cool as the A&E Graham Godmother that Suzanne has, but you work with what you've got.

Brad and Noel Ots trove and joins Suzanne in the Micah Center to discuss their marriage and relationship and family as Brad and A&E Graham 7 and Noel a 4.

And the first half of this episode they talk about how to better argue in their relationship and did a really good job of breaking down the disconnect of the head and the heart.

Suzanne tells two stories in this episode. One, I can't vouch for. Allegedly there was a bell that anyone could ring when things got out of control. Maybe this is one of those instances of a 7 rewriting their memories. I don't know.

And then the other one is a little bit embarrassing of me trying to jump off the house at a young age. Just remember when you listen I was very young.

The second half of the podcast Brad and Noel are very vulnerable and very giving and sharing about their family all the struggles that they've gone through with having an international adoption, with having three kids, a failed match and how they navigated through all of that.

They wrapped that up with some tools and advice for parents who are going through a tough season. I guess the corny way of putting it is the first part we get to know them and then the second part we really love them.

If you live in Nashville, which is, I mean like the second home of the A&E Graham it seems like everyone's either doing A&E Graham work or singing or doing both.

We're coming your way at the end of February. Be sure to sign up for that. Then we're coming to Austin. If you can't go to either one of those and you're in the Dallas area, March 21st, Billy Shoey is teaching an all day Saturday, know your number workshop.

It's going to be great and it'll get you ready for boot camp, which is going to be June 11th through the 14th and August 6th through the 9th.

If you can't make an all day workshops, who's in is going to be teaching an introduction to the A&E Graham on March 30th and 31st in Dallas.

You can find all of these events and the information and registration for them at lifeinthetrenidiumministry.com. Now I'll get out of the way and let's get to today's podcast.

It was dressed in security in relationships.

Was it this just in security one? It was in November of 2018.

Okay. And now y'all are my friends. I don't mean my friends. My friends.

My friends too.

Well, I had reached out to you and had pretty sweating.

I had pulled a little bit of our story but also had also said,

complexly in relationships between fours and sevens and I need help.

The fours that are in my life require the utmost of my intentionality.

If I were to just be average Joel, average seven and what are the descriptors you say for our personality?

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