Episode 741: John Gustav-Wrathall, Same-Sex Marriage, Believes In and Attends Church

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Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2024

⏱️ 59 minutes

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This episode is guest-hosted by my friend Steven Kapp Perry from the “In Good Faith” podcast. He interviews John Gustav-Wrathall (a dear friend and mentor) who appeared in an early episode—Episode 49—which we’ll link to below. John shares some of his earliest spiritual experiences, which gave him a solid faith in God, and then describes his journey of listening to and following the clear promptings of the Spirit, even when that inspiration surprised him and was not what he was expecting. That included a life-saving impression to step away from the church for a time, and then, surprisingly, a call to return to it. We’ll also hear how John’s patience in certain painful situations at church later led to growth and change in the very people who had caused that distress. Thanks, John, for your courage to continue to share your story. I learn so much from you. Links: Episode 49: https://soundcloud.com/user-818501778/episode-49-john-gustav-wrathall-same-sex-marriage-affirmation-executive-director Link to Emmaus Ministry: http://www.emmauslgbtq.org Link to the In Good Faith podcast: http://www.byuradio.org/ingoodfaith Link to Episode 586: https://soundcloud.com/user-818501778/episode-586-steven-kapp-perry-gay-latter-day-saint-byu-employee-israel-tour-director

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0:00.0	Welcome to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love. This episode is hosted by guest host and friend, Stephen Cap Perry.
0:13.0	Steve is host on Classical 89.org and the In Good Faith podcast, a married father of four, songwriter, and playwright.
0:24.6	He shared his story on episode 586, an episode with over 35,000 listens.
0:31.7	For today's episode, Steve interviewed John Gustav Rathel, a dear friend and mentor.
0:39.6	John has a powerful story that I encourage all of us to hear, consider, and learn from. John was one of our earliest episodes,
0:46.6	Episode 49, which we'll link to in the show notes. Thanks, John, for your courage to continue to
0:53.6	share your story. I learned so much from you.
0:57.0	And thank you, Steve Perry, for being a guest host. This is really an honor, Richard. I love
1:02.7	what you have done through the years, and it's been a blessing to so many, including me,
1:07.0	to be able to share our stories and be able to find out we're not alone.
1:11.6	That's an important part of building community.
1:14.6	I spoke to John last August before the Gather conference here in Provo.
1:19.3	I really wanted to sit down in person face-to-face and not a phone interview.
1:24.2	And I'm so glad I did.
1:25.7	He will review some of his early spiritual experiences that gave
1:29.9	him a really solid faith in God. And then he takes us on this emotional journey to me of listening
1:36.8	to the direction of the spirit and learning how to follow it even when the inspiration he received
1:42.0	was not at all what he was expecting. That's something that
1:46.0	happened very clearly at some key points in his life. So I think this is a story about taking a leap
1:51.8	of faith, and interestingly, in this case, a leap out, and then many years later, a leap back in,
1:58.4	sort of. And I'm really inspired by John's faith. And one thing I think
2:03.7	you'll notice is his amazing patience with the process, the journey of life, and his willingness
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