Episode 74: The Trustees (with Lauren Lassabe Shepherd)
In Bed With The Right
Adrian Daub and Moira Donegan
4.8 • 661 Ratings
🗓️ 6 May 2025
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Have you been enjoying stories about all-powerful student activist groups shutting down vigorous debate on college campuses? Of the insidious cabals of Performance Studies professors thwarting the progress of science? Well, wait till you get a load of the people who actually run the show. In this episode, Moira and Adrian are joined by Lauren Lassabe Shepherd (of the American Campus podcast) to discuss the trustees, their role in university governance, why we tended not to hear much about them ... and why suddenly, in 2025, we very much do!
Books, articles and podcasts discussed in this episode:
Lauren Lassabe Shepherd, Resistance from the Right: Conservatives and the Campus Wars (2023)
William F. Buckley, God and Man at Yale: The Superstitions of 'Academic Freedom' (1951)
Richard White, Who Killed Jane Stanford? A Gilded Age Tale of Murder, Deceit, Spirits and the Birth of a University (2022)
Matt Seybold, The Gilded Network (Podcast, 2025)
Nathan Heller, "Will Harvard Bend or Break" (The New Yorker, 2025)
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | A group of wealthy men and women walk into a Talon Scouts office. |
| 0:04.1 | We have an ACU might like to sign. |
| 0:06.0 | Cool, the Talent Scout replies, what do you do? |
| 0:09.2 | One guy starts throwing dollar bills at two other guys who begin building an immense |
| 0:12.8 | climbing wall, while another provides athletes with get-out-of-jail-free cards. |
| 0:16.9 | Another starts a right-wing think tank that tells people how to use cooking oil to ward off infectious disease. Another gets really into allegations of plagiarism until his wife is accused of plagiarism. |
| 0:26.2 | The talent guy goes, okay, okay, I get it. The joke's going on too long already. What do you call this |
| 0:30.6 | fucking thing? And they go, the board of trustees. Anyway, that's my aristocrats version with this. |
| 0:38.2 | Hi, I'm Adrienne Dob. |
| 0:40.0 | And I'm Moywardan. |
| 0:41.3 | Whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right. |
| 0:45.6 | Now, Adrian, we have had a lot of occasion as Americans, as people who work for a university, to think about all of the strange discourses |
| 0:57.0 | surrounding American colleges and universities, particularly the fancy private ones, |
| 1:02.8 | and how there's a lot of interesting imaginaries, like sort of projected onto these, right? |
| 1:08.4 | But today, we have an opportunity to talk about the people who are actually controlling these |
| 1:12.7 | institutions, the shadowy, ill-understood, tremendously wealthy individuals who make up the boards |
| 1:21.0 | of trustees. |
| 1:22.4 | That's right. |
| 1:22.9 | When we hear about the university and media and political discourse, and we talk to Samuel |
| 1:27.2 | Catlin about |
| 1:27.8 | this most recently. We normally hear about students. They occupy a lot of real estate in the minds of |
| 1:34.1 | our pundit class. We talk about faculty, and we sometimes hear about administrators. It's their |
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