Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the lions led by

Donkeys podcast I'm Joe and with me today is Francis Horton of the hell

of a way to die podcast how's it going Francis oh it fantastic. I'm here I'm here to do some

history I'm excited. Do a big old history. I'm excited to be Nick in this one because

I've done you told me slightly what it was about and it's zero research so I can just hear sit here and be like damn and that's fucked up and what the fuck like you all you need is a soundboard of Nick being like now that's fucked up and you've got you know in case Nick is never there just hit that every time you finish a paragraph.

What if I told you there was no Nick and all I had was like a soundboard from some soldier that I recorded while drunk?

You have a very elaborate backstory for Nick then.

It's been a work in progress. I work on some characters some time to time. I also have

break their legs. Joe has actually never been to war. He's just a really good improv actor.

Yeah, the improving the TVI was a real bitch. It required a couple of running my head into the walls. My dogs are real

concerned for my health. I mean it's real tragic. What is a deployment other than a year long? Yes and.

You're not wrong. Or you're figuratively running your head into the wall.

So I thought today was. running your time so you and you're a public affairs NCO so you probably are kind of like the subject matter expert for like glossing over the Army's fuckups?

Certainly I have been, it's not, I would say it's not a cover-up.

We, it's getting ahead of the story and putting a positive spin on it. So have you ever been privy to or witnessed or had to report on like just some really dumb training accidents?

No, but I know people who I have I have been around them and been in the PAO shop that has had to deal with it and generally like depending on the I know, depending on severity,

generally you just put out like a very basic,

like kind of press release or a very short news story

that's got like the who what where when like

four soldiers involved in L. M. T. V. Rollover on the base today, you know, injured.

They'll be out of the hospital or something and you know, injured, they'll be out of the hospital or something and you know, when you want to go a little bit further in depth, you get, you know, a sound bite from the base commander or the commander of the unit that was involved and you're just like we're you know doing safety and

we're gonna wrap all of our LM TVs in reflective belts and that's gonna save us all

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