Episode 726: Liz and Ryan Giles, Two Gay Women, Same-Sex Marriage, Attending Church

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 24 December 2023

⏱️ 77 minutes

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My friends Liz Giles (from Yakima Washington, RM, BYU Grad) and Ryan Giles (from South Jordan Utah, RM, BYU Grad) join us to share their story. Liz and Ryan start with becoming friends at BYU, accidentally falling in love, and then* figuring out their sexualities. Ryan states, “You don’t fall in love with a girl unless you are wired for girls.” Liz talks about her decision to serve a mission and coming to terms with her sexuality during that time. Both Ryan and Liz served faithful and honorable missions. After Liz returned from her mission, Ryan and Liz share how they navigated their close friendship while at BYU, decide to begin dating a year later, and get married in 2021. They talk about the options they explored as queer Latter-day Saints and the personal revelation they received to walk a fourth option—being in a same-sex marriage and continuing to participate in Church (as much as they are allowed to). They talk about the love and support they are receiving from many church members. They also talk about their fears and what we can do as Latter-day Saints to lower their fears/anxiety so church attendance can continue and provide the hope/peace that worshiping Jesus brings. They finish with talking about a new Instagram account they started called The Forth Option @the.fourth.option and the need to give grace/support for queer Latter-day Saints and former Latter-day Saints walking other roads. Thank you, Liz and Ryan, for being on the podcast. You are a wonderful couple. I learned so much from you. Glad more are hearing your story. Liz and Ryan’ Instagram Account: @the.fourth.option Richard Ostler books/bio/etc.: www.papaostler.com Facebook Group to support LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143

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0:00.0	Hello, welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.
0:10.5	My guest on today's podcast is two women, both identify as gay, and they're married to each other,
0:18.4	and they're attending LDS Church and they've started an
0:22.1	Instagram account that we'll talk about.
0:24.7	It's called the fourth option.
0:26.8	Welcome to the podcast, Ryan and Liz.
0:30.9	Hi, we're so glad to be here.
0:34.1	Ryan and Liz, I'll introduce each of them individually and just give a little bit of overview of their story.
0:41.6	And then we'll get them talking about their story, how they came to terms of their sex orientation, how they found each other, why they decided to get married, and why they continue to attend church and what people are doing to support them and how we can
0:55.8	better support couples that want to attend church in a same-sex marriage.
1:01.6	I'll start with Ryan.
1:03.6	How do I say your last name?
1:04.7	Is it Giles?
1:06.3	Yes.
1:07.2	And Ryan and Liz, since they're married, they've both taken the name Giles.
1:10.5	So Ryan Giles, she grew up in South Jordan, went to Bingham High School, currently as an EMT, and served a mission.
1:22.0	Tell our listeners where you served.
1:23.9	It's off the coast of Australia.
1:26.4	It is.
1:27.3	The mission was the Vanuatu Port Vila
1:29.1	mission, and I served in the country of New Caledonia. And what language did you speak, Ryan?
1:34.6	I actually spoke French. It's a French territory. You spoke French, and were there a lot of
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