Hi, he's Dave Shumka, and he's Graham Clark, and together we host Stop Podcasting Yourself.

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Hello everybody and welcome to episode number 724 of Stop Podcasting Yourself.

My name is Graham Clark, and with me as always is a man who I rarely see this early in the day.

Mr. Dave Shumka.

Yeah, the best part of waking up is folders in your cup.

So yeah, we're recording this at the crack of 10 a.m. Vancouver.

I mean, do you've been up for six hours already?

No, yes, I have, then fine.

Yes, I've been up since four.

I've been, my dang coffee machine went off too early and woke me up with a aroma of folder crystals.

And what else is going on?

It's funny that you have a coffee machine that can grind beans, but you still insist on using folder scrambles.

Yeah, that's true.

But like, I put the crystals in the grinder, because I want them to come out like super fine.

I want to be able to like see through them.

What is that delightful?

Our guest here on the podcast first time guest to the podcast.

I've, I know I've done a bunch of research on it.

He's done all sorts of things.

I've hit the books.

I've learned he is a writer.

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