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The National Security Law Podcast

Episode 72: This Podcast Was Recorded Before, On, or After 9/11

The National Security Law Podcast

Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

Courses, Politics, News, Education, Government

4.8646 Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2018

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

No shortage of topics this week. Join us as Professors Chesney and Vladeck debate and discuss: United States v. al-Hawsawi, in which Judge Pohl rules that a military commission prosecution can proceed against an accused 9/11 co-conspirator based on conduct that facilitated (and thus occurred prior to the culmination of) the 9/11 attacks.  What is the measure of when "hostilities" begin?  Does the Military Commissions Act of 2009 require a different result than would follow under international law?  And for good measure:  How does one define membership in an entity like al Qaeda? Do recent media reports that "major combat operations" have (again) ended in Iraq have any legal significance? What if anything might follow, for purposes of the military commission case against him, from the claim by KSM's defense team that he may have suffered brain damage while in CIA custody? A January executive order gave Secretary Mattis 90 days to deliver a report to the White House recommending the future course of detainee policy. No word yet on whether the deadline was met, by why let that stop us from speculating about its contents? Meanwhile, the DC Circuit held oral argument last week in Doe v. Mattis.  We've got a mini-review, though no one is prepared to predict the outcome. Johnson v. CIA, in which Judge McMahon (SDNY) ruled in favor of the CIA on an interesting FOIA exemption issue involving the consequences when the government makes a selective disclosure of classified information to a journalist. The "Mueller Protection" bill has emerged from the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Now it's at the part in the Schoolhouse Rock cartoon when the Bill is waiting to see if the leadership will allow a vote... And then there are the dueling HPSCI reports on Russia and the election.  Perhaps the less said here the better, though there are in fact some interesting recommendations.  Should the Logan Act be repealed?  Do we need a new FISA "foreign power" category to cover foreign hackers who threaten national security but whose sponsorship can't be pinned down reliably? Speaking of reports, we also have some interesting data on FISC decisions thanks to the mandatory disclosure provisions of the USA Freedom Act.  Tune in to understand why the data signifies something a bit different than many observers initially assumed. But wait, there's more!  If you order now, we will throw in...frivolity!  We kept it short this week, because Steve wants to talk Westworld (but Bobby isn't caught up) and Bobby wants to talk Avengers (but Steve hasn't seen it).  Sigh.  They default to the NBA...

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello from Austin and welcome to episode 72 of the National Security Law Podcast.

0:14.0

We're brought to you by the Strauss Center at the University of Texas. It's, uh, what? Tuesday

0:19.3

morning, May 1st. May 1st.

0:21.2

May 1st?

0:22.1

May 1st.

0:23.1

May day.

0:24.2

May day.

0:24.5

Oh, wait.

0:24.9

No, it's, it's Loyalty Day.

0:26.5

So I didn't know about this.

0:28.5

Tell me.

0:29.3

Tell me about loyalty day, Steve.

0:30.6

Well, so the internet did a classic Trump derangement freak out last night when they discovered

0:35.0

that President Trump was proclaiming today to be Loyalty Day.

0:38.2

It does sound alarming.

0:40.0

Until you point out that every president, since Eisenhower, has done it because after all,

0:44.5

what's the proper reaction to May Day but loyalty day?

0:49.0

So this goes back to sort of 20th century battles between commemoration of this state as commemoration to the haymarket

0:55.9

massacre and sort of a, you know, leftist holiday tradition. So American presidents going back to,

1:01.9

I don't know how far, have been touting this as, no, no, no, a day to focus on loyalty to the

1:06.9

country and appreciation for freedom. Loyalty to the country. Interesting. Not loyalty to the president.

1:11.6

Did our current president say anything squarely in describing this?

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