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This is a crowd podcast.

I want to play something for you.

Something that when I recorded it shook me to my core.

There's no danger.

There's no racking.

There's nobody with a weapon.

There's no male-tary-aged male.

Well, then...

Who opens fire and how the fuck does anybody think it's okay to open fire in that room?

In that scenario, it's not. Yeah. That scenario, it's not okay.

By the time I had this conversation with Frank, I'd been filming him for years.

We discussed his case, and specifically what happened in House 2 at least a dozen times.

Maybe more. In fact, the very day I recorded this interview, Frank had been arraigned, formally charged with murder

in House 2.

And yet, he still could not remember what happened in that home.

It was infuriating.

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