Hello and welcome to a special edition of Rock and Roll Politics, the weekly podcast with me, Steve Richards.

I'm just back from the fantastic politics festival at King's Place, where we heard from a whole range of speakers,

and we heard passionate cases for a second referendum on Brexit from Chukharumana and then Andrew Adonis,

both putting powerful, compelling cases that one way or another, Brexit must be

stopped and would be stopped by a second referendum, what they call the people's vote.

Chukkah spoke just before the March in favour of the people's vote, so-called the second referendum,

or the third referendum, actually,

and Andrew Adonis spoke the day after the march. But we also, in a quite cinematic way,

during the march, heard from Labour's shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Stama. The Labour leadership was under some criticism for not

attending to the march. You know, they were chanting, where's Jeremy Corbyn. They weren't chanting,

actually, where's Keir Stama, but I can tell you where he was. He was with me at the politics

festival. And my guess is much of the audience were taking the Chuka

Umana andrew Adonis position. We've got to stop this second referendum. Why aren't you

campaigning for it now and why aren't you campaigning for the softest of Brexit, the

Norway position, single market and all the

rest of it? And it's the first time I've heard Kirstama speak at length to explain his more

expedient position from the front bench. It's very hard on five minutes on the Today program

or eight minutes with the Andrew Marshow to explain, not least when you're being put on the defensive, why aren't you doing this, why aren't you doing that, why is your party as split as the government, aren't you really in the same place as the government, and then thank you very much and that's it um but over a period of time

and that's the joy of kind of festivals in an era where uh broadcasting doesn't give much space

to uh politicians and and politics actually there's lots of it, but in very small chunks.

It was really interesting to hear him map out how they have got to where they are, the Labour leadership,

and where he thinks Brexit might go next.

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