Coming to a new roadblock, it's fake democracy.

We're going up the wrong way, we're going to have to stop.

Creaming soft, a secret voice, they can't expose them all.

We're going up the wrong way, We're going to have to stop.

Searlings off and natural loss.

They can protect us all.

So welcome to episode 69 of the Cake Watch podcast.

The Cake Watch podcast was a weekly podcast about Brexit.

Well, it's not about Brexit anymore. It's about the UK's relationship with the EU

or the EU's relationship with the UK. It's not weekly anymore. It's a bit more ad hoc. But it still

features me, Chris Kendall. I'm an official working for the EU. But I'm doing this obviously in a strictly personal capacity.

And my co-host is Steve Bullock, but he's not here today.

I don't know when he's going to be back.

He's stepping back a bit for a middle.

But we want to keep the podcast going because there's lots to talk about.

So today, excitingly, we have a returning guest,

David Hennig. David.

Hello. I'm delightful to be back. I can't really even remember when it was I was last talking

to you and Steve, but it was a long time ago, possibly at least a prime minister ago.

At least one.

Definitely pre-Brexit.

Now, I wonder whether we were still in those days going to deliver exactly the same benefits outside the EU as we were, as we, inside.

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