Episode 68: Antizionism is inherently violent, with Adam Louis-Klein
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Haviv Rettig Gur
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🗓️ 17 December 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
After the massacre at Bondi Beach, anthropologist Adam Louis-Klein returns to the podcast to help us make sense of the new Jew-hatred.
Antizionism, Adam argues, may be a form of hatred of Jews, but it's a far cry from the classical antisemitism of the 19th and 20th centuries. It's also not mere criticism of Israeli policies or governments. So what is it? And how do you fight it?
Adam Louis-Klein is an anthropologist and writer whose work focuses on Jewish peoplehood, indigeneity, and contemporary anti-Jewish ideologies, especially the rise of antizionism. He is the founder of the Movement Against Antizionism and a postgraduate fellow at the London Centre for the Study of Contemporary Antisemitism.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, everybody. |
| 0:06.0 | Welcome to a new episode of Ask Haviv Anything. |
| 0:08.4 | We are just a couple days after the massacre at Bandai Beach. |
| 0:13.4 | And I'm really glad to have Adam Lewis Klein back on the podcast to talk about what it all means. |
| 0:23.2 | Adam has been a very thoughtful writer and thinker on these things, and I think we're |
| 0:28.8 | going to just try and back back and forth what this moment is for Jews, what this moment is |
| 0:33.8 | in the whole anti-Semitic anti-Zionist universe, the subtleties and nuances and |
| 0:40.2 | complexities and overlaps and non-overlaps of all these terms, but ultimately how at the bottom |
| 0:45.4 | on the ground where the rubber hits the road, it turns into violence. I want to tell you that we |
| 0:50.9 | have a sponsor for this episode. For more than a century, the Technion, Israel Institute of Technology, has powered Israel. |
| 0:58.9 | Its graduates built the nation's roads and bridges, its water systems, and electrical grid. |
| 1:03.7 | Israel's high-tech industry emerged from the Technion, the very foundation of the startup nation. |
| 1:09.6 | Today, as Israel recovers from the devastation of war, |
| 1:12.9 | it needs the Technion more than ever. Technion scientists are developing new energy sources, |
| 1:17.9 | sustainable food and water solutions, and breakthrough medical therapies, creating innovations |
| 1:22.8 | for a better world that will also reboot Israel's economy. You want to help make Israel safe and strong. |
| 1:29.9 | By supporting the Technion, you're investing in the people and ideas that will rebuild Israel |
| 1:34.8 | for a better future, because rebuilding isn't just about restoring what was lost. It's about |
| 1:40.0 | creating what comes next. The Technion built Israel. Now the Technion will rebuild Israel. |
| 1:46.9 | Join us, visit atts.org slash rebuild. Thank you so much for that sponsorship. |
| 1:54.8 | And now just to give you a little bit of resume before we dive in with Adam. Adam is the founder |
| 2:00.1 | recently, and we're going to ask about this, of the movement against anti-Zionism. He is a postgraduate fellow at the London Center for the Study of Contemporary Antisemitism. He has, I don't know what to do with this, a BA in philosophy from Yale, an M.A. in philosophy from the New School for Social Research, an M.A Emmy in anthropology from the University of Chicago. |
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