Hey guys, Liz here. Just wanted to say that this was originally planned to be a two-part episode,

but we decided that we're releasing it in full. So thanks for listening.

Welcome to Trunon. I'm Liz. I'm Brace, joined by producer Youngchopsky. And we have a bit of a

different episode this week we are joined by

maria farmer who is uh and a victim of geoffrey upsteins um who's joining us on a very long phone call

from across the other side of the united states um where we're and we're going to walk through and talk about her experiences

with Jeffrey and Gilaein,

and, you know,

it's going to get a little tough.

It got tough for me.

I think it got tough for Brace,

and it certainly has been tough for Maria.

So we're going to start that right now.

Okay. Maria so we're gonna start that right now. Hey, Maria. How you doing?

Hi. Thank you for having me. I'm very flattered.

Oh, thank you.

We are honored that you can join us.

So, Maria, do you want to talk a little about your early life?

I know you're an artist.

I mean, you're still obviously very much an artist.

And just give us, you know, your start.

I know you moved to New York and went to art school.

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