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Hey, Giant Fans. Welcome to the Giant Insider podcast. My name's Jerry Foley. I'm the senior editor of the Giant Insider newspaper. And with me, as always, is the beat writer. The Heart of Giants Nation. Nobody beats the biz. Chris Bisignano. And folks, we have a very special guest today, two-time Super Bowl champion. Actually two-time kicking him into the Super Bowl. Lawrence Tines, baby. Welcome to the Giant Insider podcast, bud. Great to have you, man. That's a good intro. Most of them get so long-winded, and I'm like, did you just read my wiki page? Well, listen. That one is all I need. Two times. Super Bowl, two time.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, you can see behind you.

I'm a fan.

There's no reading wiki pages for you guys, man. It's all up here. I like that. I like that. Lawrence, welcome, man. It's a pleasure to have you on. Thanks for giving us some time. and just quickly, folks, you know, Lawrence is very much involved with the team.

He knows that he has the heartbeat of what's going on.

That's why I wanted to get Lawrence on.

You know, he is very much involved with the team. He knows that he has the heartbeat of what's going on. That's why I wanted to get Lawrence on. You know, he's very active as social media. He knows what's going on to build it. He hosts, folks, a very popular podcast called Blue Rush with the New York Post. Beat writer Paul Schwartz, they do a hell of a job. And Lawrence, you know what, buddy? Let's get into it a little bit. We all know what's been going on around Giants' land. We all know what was going to happen with Dave Gettleman. That was a foregone conclusion. But Lawrence, look, Monday morning I reported, Judge, I said at 70-30, he's on pretty thin ice in a building and he's

going to have to save his job and he wound up Mara and Tish wound up going in a little direction he

was believed of his duties we all know that so I have to ask you Lawrence what you're surprised

by this judge firing um you know just give us your opinion yes or no um I was you know after Monday I did we opinion. Yes and no. I was.

You know, after Monday, we did our show.

And I just told Paul and Jake and Andrew, I said, in my gut, I think they're keeping this guy.

And a lot of people and a lot of Giants Nation could see why.

I don't know what it was, guys, but there was something I really liked about Joe Judge. He, his football acumen, something, he is a really good football guy, but obviously this, he had lost his team somewhere, and I don't know where, and I'm, you know,

listen, he was dealt a really bad hand this year with injuries. Coaches will never say, but But Mike, you can't win with Jake Fromm, Mike Lennon.

You just can't win, guys.

That's why those first round picks and top players on your team make all the money.

Yeah.

And they just, they weren't available to them.

And then I never thought that they were going to win with that offensive scheme.

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