Episode 66: Do BDS campaigns help Palestinians?
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Haviv Rettig Gur
4.9 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 5 December 2025
⏱️ 13 minutes
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Our current question: Do BDS campaigns help Palestinians?
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| 0:00.0 | On to the next question. |
| 0:06.7 | Do cultural boycotts of Israel help the Palestinians? |
| 0:10.7 | Do they actually help? |
| 0:12.5 | A boycott is essentially an act of psychological pressure. |
| 0:16.0 | Somebody's behaving in a certain way. |
| 0:17.9 | You don't want them to behave that way. |
| 0:19.8 | You create pressure to raise the costs |
| 0:22.6 | of that behavior, and then the person will do a cost-benefit analysis, realize that the costs are |
| 0:28.6 | higher for behaving the way they're behaving, and they'll behave a different way. And therefore, a boycott is |
| 0:33.8 | essentially engaging in a battle where the battlefield is the psyche of the target. |
| 0:40.6 | You are entering the target's mind and you are changing how that target perceives the costs. |
| 0:47.0 | It's not about objective costs. |
| 0:48.9 | It's about how the target understands the cost it's paying for its behavior. |
| 0:59.1 | And this is where the fundamental flaw of the BDS movement, of the anti-Israel boycott movement, becomes really visible and really hard to pretend |
| 1:05.8 | it isn't there. And I think really makes it not just useless, actually harmful to Palestinians. |
| 1:11.9 | And I'll explain why. |
| 1:13.1 | I'm an Israeli explaining this. |
| 1:14.7 | So this had better be a really good explanation, or you should have no reason to take it seriously. |
| 1:19.4 | Let me do my best. |
| 1:21.0 | The boycott divestment and sanctions movement officially wants no more Jewish state. |
| 1:27.4 | That's official. It's one of its major goals. It |
| 1:30.3 | believes, it talks about it, its founders talk about it. It is founded out of a certain class of |
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