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no bull, and the aftermath.

You know NSA is having a nice rest, but I was actually at a dinner last night on Thursday

out in Virginia where Keith Alexander was giving a velodictory kind of speech and 40 steps down.

And I believe it was Mike McConnell who got up and said some nice things for my DNI,

former NSA director about General Alexander and he said I would like to thank John Brennan

for taking the heat off the NSA this week and Brennan who originally had been scheduled to be

at the dinner and unfortunately could not make it. So you know yeah the NSA is I think enjoying

the vacation from people like me calling them up every day and you know but we'll be calling again.

I'm Shane Harris with Forum Policy Magazine and this is the LawFair podcast.

And I'm Benjamin Wittes. Shane Harris was the first ever guest on the LawFair podcast.

That was episode one. This is episode 66. Shane Harris is also the first ever repeat guest on

the LawFair podcast. I asked him to come by the Brookings Studio this week to talk about a

remarkable series of events in the news of national security and law. The flap between the Senate

Intelligence Committee and the CIA. An incredible set of exchanges between the NSA

and the FISA Court and the U.S. District Court and the Northern District of California over whether

the agency can, may or must retain telephony metadata past the five-year deadline. It's been a heck

of a week and you will not want to miss this conversation with Shane. It's the LawFair podcast

episode 66, a conversation with Shane Harris.

So Shane, what the heck is going on between the CIA and the SSCI? Just a quiet week, you know,

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