Welcome back to start up to the rest of us. I'm Rob Walling. Today I sit down with Cortland and

Channing Allen, the co-found founders of indie hackers to talk about their newfound independence.

They are no longer owned by Stripe. They also turned the tables on me in this interview,

and we spend probably the first 30 minutes talking about my new book, as well as sharing

theories about entrepreneurship

and just all the tasty goodness that comes when I sit down with really smart people who are

thinking about entrepreneurship on a day-to-day basis. This episode will go live in both of our

podcast feeds. If you haven't checked out the Indie Hackers podcast, you definitely should. It's a great companion podcast to start up for the rest of us. But if this episode feels like kind of a cross between an episode to start us for the rest of us and an episode of Indie Hackers, that's because it is. Because essentially we have all the hosts and we were kind of interviewing one another on the important topics of the day. So we let this intentionally

run long. There was just a lot to talk about. To be honest, we hit stop on the recording and talk

for another 20 minutes about things that we probably should have recorded. We started talking

about AI and about angel investing and a few other things. But that just goes to show you the

content was flowing and it was one of

those magical moments that you do want to capture. So I know I keep episodes between 30 and 40

minutes typically and this one's a little longer, but I hope you enjoy it and agree that it was

worth doing. Before we dive in to the episode, MicroConf Mastermind Matching opens on April 3rd.

That's just the day after this episode goes live

and realize you can head over now to microcomf.com slash masterminds

and get on the wait list to be notified.

Every time we do mastermind matching,

we have people contact us after the deadline closes

and begging to be included.

And unfortunately, we can't.

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