Here's my dad and his boyhood friend, Mr. Ron, my dad, Dawn.

All right, episode 65 of the Rodd of Dawn Show.

Terrestrial Radio, we actually lie to you.

We don't know how many people are listening.

We just kind of guess?

It's a really interesting card game.

3.7 million people that live in the Seattle, Tacoma, 5 Fremont area.

And when we did afternoon drive, people carry around a little meter.

And there's only just over 2,000 meters that are out there.

Total.

Yeah, an afternoon drive and they're not a lot active at one time.

People agree to carry these meters.

You have about 37 people out of 3.7 million people that are carrying meters and it reads off a satellite trying to determine how many people are listening

So you have 37 people that are representing 3.7 million people which seems kind of next to impossible and it is. Here's the deal. If we ever talked

about this on Terresto Radio, number one, we were told we'd be fired. And number two,

a lot of times, those companies that does all the metering that radio pays for,

they will go to the radio station and say, hey, we can't rank you anymore because you have hosts now. They're talking about this and explaining this and taking people behind the Wizard of Oz curtain and it's going to wreck it for you and it's wrecking it for all the other companies pay millions of dollars for this.

Yeah, so advertisers for some reason,

they really think those terrestrial numbers are real

and they're not.

What's interesting about podcasts

is we're looking at our podcast numbers,

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