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I was at school, and I heard a bunch of ambulances go by,

and I just thought to myself, oh, I hope that's not from my family, like anyone in my family.

I was at school. I hope that's not from my family, like anyone in my family. Welcome to Season 3, Episode 64 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real.

The Worse Monsters are real. This is part two of the story of Martin McNeil, a Utah doctor who had it all, but still wanted more.

If you're new to the podcast, don't start here. Go back to episode 63 and listen to that first.

We're joined once again by special guest Shana Hogan, an author of the book, The Stranger She Loved. We continue the story of Martin McNeil's web of lies with the recounting of what is adopted daughter,

Sabrina, remembers the day of Michelle's death.

You remember going to the house?

Yeah, I remember walking in and I already knew at that time that something really bad.

I already knew, like, I knew that something bad happened.

And so it would eventually tell you what had happened?

Yes, it was my dad.

And I remember I ran into my room and I was already really, really emotional.

I was already crying and I was on the floor, like sitting down my armchair and then my sister was sitting on my bed and my dad walked in with the towel over his face.

And what did he say?

And he took the towel down a little bit and he said, well girls, you know, I don't know how to tell you this, but your mom's dead.

This is how Martin McNeil breaks the news to his daughters.

Did he say anything else?

He didn't say anything.

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