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The Lawfare Podcast

Episode #64: The State of the International Order

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πŸ—“οΈ 1 March 2014

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

Ten years after the Iraq War and five years after the global financial crisis, the state of the international order is decidedly mixed. The international system faces a new and increasingly complex set of challenges. While the past decade has seen some successes in international cooperation – most notably the response to the financial crisis – core questions remain about whether the established and emerging powers will be able to sustain the peace, foster a system for shared prosperity and make progress on democracy, justice and human security. Brookings scholars Ted Piccone, Bruce Jones, Robert Kagan, Thomas Wright, and Jeremy Shapiro discuss.

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That seems to me unmistakably true that we're American power in fact decline or

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Americans to go sort of choose not to use their power and influence to uphold

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this world order, we will get a different world order. Or more likely before

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we get to a different world order, we'll go through a period of disorder which

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is what happened after the European order fell after the British dominated world and

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the European balance failed. So that seems to me something we ought to try to

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avoid because disorder will be a lot uglier than we imagine it to be. And a lot of

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our again complacent sense that great powers will never go to war against each other

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ever again or that democracy is here to stay or that liberal capitalism has

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simply triumphed. All this Frank Fukuyama end of history stuff I think is a myth and

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we can go back. Democracy is in fact historically a rare flower. It's only been

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dominance in the world for you know 30 or 40 years in the whole sweep of human history.

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Those were the words of Brookings Institution scholar Robert Kagan during last

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Tuesday's roundtable on the state of the international order. During it a panel

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of Brookings foreign policy scholars discussed the structures that govern

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international affairs, having in mind the passage of 10 years since the Iraq war

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and five years since the global financial crisis. The event thus naturally touched

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on among many other things, the ability of great world powers to ensure security.

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