Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer. And this is Marianne Sullivan.

Thank you for joining us this week because Marianne's guest is Dr. Crystal Heath, and you're going to love this interview.

Dr. Heath is that all too rare person, a veterinarian who cares deeply about avoiding harm to all animals.

Why is this so rare?

Of all of the insane things that we deal with every day about why people do what they do to animals,

one of the most inexplicable to me has always been, but veterinarians.

Like, why are none of them, well, not none of them, but why are so few of them vegan?

Why that's a lot of what I get into with Dr. Heath, aka Crystal.

I don't know where I should call her by her.

Whatever's a doctor, I feel like I should use there on Erythic. I did that recently. I interviewed a doctor for our henhouse. It was Dr. Judy Bragman. It hasn't aired yet. And I avoided the question. And she goes, what should I call you? And I was like, oh, you could call me Jasmine. I assume you want me to call you Dr. Brangman, and she said, Dr. Judy is fine.

And I was like, oh, you could call me Jasmine. I assume you want me to call you Dr.

Brangman. And she said, Dr. Judy is fine. And I was like, oh, it makes me think of Dr. Ruth.

Well, anyway, so I'm really excited about hearing your conversation with Dr. Crystal.

She does explain. I mean, not satisfactorily, because who can explain anything in this crazy

world satisfactorily? But she does go into the reasons

of how it is that the veterinarian profession is so far behind on, I'm paying attention to

animals and their welfare. It's just bizarre. So on the flock bonus segment, I continue my

conversation with Dr. Heath. As always, if you're a flock member, you'll get the link to the bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after the podcast episode goes up where you can always find it on the flock Facebook group. And if you're not a member of the flock and you can afford it, you can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate.

Also, if you're a member of the flock, please join us for our flock Friday Zoom calls,

which are once a month on the first Friday of the month at 4 p.m. Eastern or 8 p.m. Greenwich meantime, where we chit-chat about activism and how to deal with this world that we live in that is

very upside down. And we also speak to some

inspiring guests. So if you're a member of the flock, check out the flock Facebook group for

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