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Something that has never failed to amaze me is how murderers put themselves in the spotlight.

When someone has gone missing or has been found murdered, the press are usually one of the first on the scene, trying to follow the case in real time.

And when the TV cameras arrive, the producers and the journalists, we usually try to interview people connected to the case.

But what if one of those concerned relatives or friends of the victim is interviewed?

But they are actually the killer.

I'm Naomi Channel and this is real.

I'm Naomi Channel and this is real.

Yeah. Israel. If you've listened to some of my previous episodes, you might remember the heartbreaking case of Jamie Lavis.

The eight-year-old was murdered by a paedophile bus driver and then befriended his family whilst they looked for their missing son because he was identified as the last person to have seen him alive.

He brazenly started to become the spokesperson for the family

and was interviewed by several TV news crews.

Somebody out there has got to be sick for keeping a child with that age.

You know, it shouldn't be done.

If you had any respect, you'd just hand him over to the nearest police station.

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