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Welcome to a very special episode of the Apple Insider Podcast.

This episode was recorded at CES in January with Glenn Reed, who is the CEO of Marathon Laundry, who also worked at

Apple and Next, Under Steve Jobs.

The sound quality isn't perfect. We couldn't find a great place to hold the

interview, but the content is worth listening to regardless.

Glenn is a fantastic interviewee and I hope you'll enjoy the things that he has to say both working about

I'm on I movie I photo working for Steve Jobs and his new project marathon

laundry.

Sorry I have a tendency to ramble as you were learning about me.

So, you know, how would you introduce yourself?

What would you tell someone if you were just mean them?

Oh, that's a hard question. I mostly call myself a product guy.

And sometimes that's to answer the question of how I got from software and the hardware.

A product I think of is something that people buy and value and

pay for and consider and software used to be like that but it's not anymore that's

turned into the entertainment world where you give it away for free and sell ads to support it.

So I used to be a software guy, but if you're a product guy, it kind of goes across all that stuff.

It's you're making something that somebody else is going to use and you

hope they wanted and pay for it and whatever and I think Steve Jobs was a product guy at

his core like just another product and he went from this to that to something else and let's make

phones let's make whatever and it was sort of that same drive to just see a problem and

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