On this episode of Neutral, when Gary Shapley, a long time IRS investigator, wanted to

come forward with information that the federal government had mishandled the tax investigation

into Hunter Biden, the president's son.

The details he had to share were so sensitive he couldn't even provide it to his own lawyer

without potentially committing a felony.

So through his attorney, he approached Empower Oversight, a group composed of lawyers

with deep experience in Capitol Hill investigations who coached him on a strategy for how to get

the information to Congress lawfully.

Months later, Gary Shapley and a fellow IRS investigator, Joseph Ziggler, were testifying

in an open session before the House Oversight and Accountability Committee detailing their

claims that the president's son had received special treatment.

Here to discuss how they help whistleblowers who come forward, I'm really pleased to welcome

my two guests.

Kristen Love it, and Jason Foster, leaders of Empower Oversight.

Kristen and Jason, welcome and thank you for joining me on Newt's World.

Thanks for having us.

Thank you so much.

Let's start at the beginning.

What you're doing is fascinating, but can you talk about the important role that whistleblowers

play in government oversight?

Sure.

So yes, Tristan and I both spent years working for the patron saint of whistleblowers, Senator

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