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This Jungian Life Podcast

Episode 60 - Psychological Dismemberment: Why We Can’t Stay Connected

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2019

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Images of physical dismemberment are often used in fairy tales, dreams and art to depict psychological fragmentation, numbing and other forms of disconnection. Such cut-offs, dissociations, and splits may be related to earlier relational trauma, and constitute defenses against experiences perceived as too overwhelming for consciousness to absorb or even acknowledge. Experience can be dissociated, or dismembered, behaviorally, emotionally, bodily, and by denying memory or knowledge of events. Jungian Analyst Donald Kalsched posits an inner dynamic that is both protective and persecutory. Such understandings can point the way to a healing process of re-membering those parts that have been cut off, thereby giving disowned feelings and experiences a fully felt place in consciousness.

The Dream

"In this dream, I remember being in a building that reminded me of a hospital or perhaps an asylum. It was very clinical looking (i.e. lots of steel and glass, white and silver walls / trim, people in smocks or scrubs). I was walking up a small stairway and looked through a doorway to see blood and body parts on the ground in front of me. Somehow I know that it was two separate bodies, but I do not know who they belonged to. When I saw the body parts, I was anxious and had to stop myself from passing out inside the dream because I had a feeling that whoever did that to the bodies could be nearby. As I gathered myself, I began to walk away from the bodies very calmly to avoid drawing attention to myself. As I walked away I saw a man, probably in his fifties or sixties, also a stranger, carrying a silver platter with more body parts. As I passed him, he said hello and smiled as if nothing were out of the ordinary. I then ran out of the building and vaguely remember running through a maze that had been set up on a basketball court until I was outside the building in a small grass field. The building was made of brick and seemed to be in the middle of nowhere. It had that look that many academic buildings have on college campuses."

References

Kalsched, Donald. The Inner World of Trauma, Routledge, 1996.

Gaiman, Neil. The Graveyard Book, Harper, 2008.

Little, Margaret. Psychotic Anxieties and Containment: An Analysis with Donald Winnicott.

Henderson, Joseph L. and Dyane N. Sherwood. Transformation of the Psyche, Routledge, 2003.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life.

0:03.0

Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee,

0:09.0

invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.

0:17.0

I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia.

0:22.0

I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

0:27.0

I'm Deborah Stewart, a youngian analyst on Cape Cod.

0:31.0

Today we're going to toss out a topic on... on We were mulling this over before we began and there's ideas that we're pulling in

0:45.2

around a very complicated psychological concept called attacks on linking

0:50.8

were reaching into some literature around psychological dismemberment.

0:56.0

We're reaching towards trauma.

0:58.0

And we're trying to hammer together

1:02.0

a deeper comprehensive meaning around psychological dismemberment and we're inviting you into that discussion.

1:10.0

Yeah, I mean, obviously this is not a light topic.

1:13.6

Not at all.

1:14.6

But I think when we started off, I was thinking about just these everyday ordinary ways

1:20.3

that we kind of become uncoupled from our sense of ourselves or from a sense of a connection with an other.

1:28.8

So it sounds super dramatic, psychological dismemberment, but I think we all are in that space like every day I mean sort of maybe numbing out

1:39.3

scrolling through Instagram can be a way of becoming psychologically dismembered.

1:44.6

Yeah, we call it checking out.

1:46.9

And I'm thinking the normal framework for this is that according to Young, the psyche is dissociable.

1:55.0

And I think of it like a whole group of like bubbles where everything is connected but separate and some bubbles are kind of interlocked with other bubbles and so

2:06.5

we can switch from different parts of ourselves to other parts of ourselves and it's

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