You and I are a team. If something bothers one of us, it should matter to both of us.

Hello and welcome to the Pillow Talks podcast. We're your host, Vanessa.

And Sandra Marin.

I'm a sex therapist with 20 years of experience.

And I'm just a regular dude. We share the ups and downs in our relationship while giving you

step-by-step techniques for improving yours.

So make sure to subscribe for your weekly double date full of totally doable sex tips, practical

relationship advice, hilarious and honest stories of what really goes on behind closed bedroom

doors and so much more. It's the sex education you wish you'd have.

I want us to go to therapy. Do you remember when I said that to you many, many years ago?

I thought you were about to say many, many times.

I probably did ask you to go to therapy with me many, many times.

True. I do remember.

This was really early on in our relationship. We were going through some pretty big struggles

with Sandra overworking us, really not spending very much time together.

Just starting to drift apart, starting to feel more like roommates than partners.

And I think, you know, at that time, I was the one who was more conscious of the changes

that were happening in our relationship. I was the one who was more conscious of like feeling

scared about where's our relationship going, what's happening, why does it feel so different

from what it used to feel like. And it was a really scary thing for me to ask you to go to therapy.

And it was even scarier that for a while you were not interested in doing that.

And fortunately, you came around and we did go to therapy.

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