Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer, and this is Marianne Sullivan. Thank you so much for joining us this week.

Marianne's guest is Nico Stubler, who is an activist currently working with direct action everywhere in Colombia, South America,

a scholar who recently completed a master's in animal studies at NYU, and the author of a recent

article in the Journal for Critical Animal Studies, Describing and Advocating for the Liberation

Pledge. You may find this conversation challenging and you may not agree with all

of it, but I'm pretty sure you'll find it thoughtful and find Nico to be delightful and as

passionate and activists as you are likely to meet. I totally agree. I'm excited about this interview.

And on this week's flock bonus segment, I'll be continuing my

conversation with Nico. And as always, if you are a flock member, you'll get the link to the

bonus segment in your email. On the Tuesday, after this podcast goes up, where you can always find

it on the flock Facebook group. If you're not a member of the flock and you can afford it, you can

join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org

slash donate.

And if you are a flock member, thank you.

Please join us for our first Flock Friday Zoom calls, which are once a month on, you guess it,

the first Friday of the month at 4 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. Greenwich meantime, where we focus on how to be

better activists and how to take care of ourselves and we speak to some inspiring guests, many of whom are recent podcast guests. So if you're a member of the flock, check out the flock Facebook group for updates or write to us at info at our henhouse.org. And if you're a member of the flock, you can also set up one-on-ones to meet with me as well

to discuss your activism or your veganism or anything about your shared passion with us to

change the world for animals. To set up an appointment with me, just email Jen at genn at

our henhouse.org. We also have a special announcement this week from Compassion Consortium,

which you may have heard about from Victoria Moran, who is one of its founders and one of our

favorite people. Compassion Consortium is a non-sectarian and interfaith religious center that

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