Welcome to Our Hen House.

This is Jasmine Singer.

This is Marianne Sullivan.

And we're so happy you're joining us this week.

Our interview is about a hugely important topic that unbelievably is still not getting enough attention in spite of the fact that it is at the root

of the pandemic. Angela Grimes, who is Born Free USA's CEO, will be talking to us about the

staggeringly large global trade in wild animals, a subject that has become even more salient

because of the origins of COVID-19 in a

wild animal market. It is pretty unbelievable, isn't it? Like, like we've known this for a long time

that, you know, we don't know for absolute certain, but that COVID almost certainly started

in this wild animal market in Wuhan.

And still people just don't think we're supposed to do anything about this.

It stangers my mind.

So I was really happy to have a chance to talk to Angela Grimes about it,

who really knows a lot about this issue and other issues involving wild animals.

We didn't just talk about that.

And this week on the flock bonus segment, I'll be continuing a conversation with Angela.

And as always, if you're a flock member, you will get a link to the bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after the podcast goes up.

And you can always find it on the flock Facebook group. If you are not a member of the flock, and you can afford it. You can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate.

We are also still doing our flock Friday Zoom calls on Fridays at 4 p.m. Eastern.

So I hope if you're in the flock, you join us because sometimes we have guests and sometimes

we just have really cool

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