Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

I guest on today's podcast, to talk about a subject we really haven't talked much about,

even after 500 plus episodes, is my friend Crystal Bowman.

Welcome to the podcast, Crystal.

Oh, thank you.

I'm happy to be here.

And I'm going to read an email I got from Crystal in August of 2022.

Hello, I've been listening and I'm a grateful for your work.

I'm a therapist in Arizona working largely with the LDS population.

As a mother of six, one who has taught me much about love and

acceptance and being about life being done differently, your work is critical. That's kind to me.

I forgot that was in there. I wasn't trying to give myself a shout up, but I just did.

Anyway, back to the, back to why I'm reading this email listeners. I recently gave a four-day class at Education Week about talking to our kids about sex from a shame-free, urge-positive approach. The reaction has been overwhelming. So many are reaching out. This is my work. And Crystal didn't directly ask to be on the

podcast, but I just felt impressed, let's get Crystal on the podcast because as a father of six

kids and being taught sex education by my own father and then doing our best to teach it to our

six kids. I recognize

I had very few tools to do this. And I wish I had had more training to do this.

And as Crystal talks about, a shame-free urge-positive approach. So that's going to be the focus

of this podcast. And I think it applies if you're not a parent yet,

you may pick up some things that really help you if you're a local leader. And this topic comes up

naturally in our congregations. You may have more tools after listening to Crystal. And especially

if you're a parent, currently teaching your kids about sex education or will be teaching them, I think our

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