Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Marianne Sullivan, and this is Jasmine Singer.

Thank you so much for joining us this week. I think you're going to be glad you did. We have a great interview.

Jasmine will be speaking with Michelle Graham, who is the executive director of the Wild Animal Initiative.

And this is a really fascinating conversation about issues that we just don't confront often enough.

I mean, of course it makes sense, as we do, to talk about all the domesticated animals,

especially the farmed animals who we mistreat in such horrifying ways.

And we tend to focus on them. But it's also so important

to think and care about what's going on in the ever-dwindling wild, not just the harms that

we perpetrate, but all the suffering that these animals can undergo and just have a vision

for how is the best way to live on this planet in the best relationship

possible with all of these amazing creatures. Right. Yes. I also really appreciated this

conversation with Michelle because she is talking about wild animals and she's vegan and that and she has

like a vegan ethic that she brings to her work. I think that's rare.

And we talk a little bit about why that's rare and what struggles she has because she

certainly has struggles.

You know, there's a lot of big questions that can't be answered.

But she has a refreshing approach.

And I'm really excited about sharing that interview with you.

And on this week's bonus segment, I'll be continuing my conversation with Michelle.

So as always, if you're a flock member, you will get a link to the bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after this podcast episode goes up.

Or you can always find it on the flock Facebook group.

And if you're not a member of the flock and you can afford it, you can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate. And of course, to help us get through the pandemic, which apparently is never going to end, no, I'm sorry, I didn't say that, but you know, it's getting bad. We're still doing our flock Friday Zoom calls. I think we thought we wouldn't be doing them for this long, but here we are. And I'm so glad we are there at 4 p.m. Eastern time. Sometimes we have guests. Sometimes we just have a chat. We usually end up talking about how to shift our activism as well as how to take care of ourselves and maybe just maybe just catch up with each other a little bit. So if you're a member of the flock, we would love to have you there.

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