Episode 568 Promo - Moral Tiers (w/ Adam Johnson)
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🗓️ 20 April 2026
⏱️ 9 minutes
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Summary
Co-host of Citations Needed Podcast & author of the newly released How to Sell a Genocide joins Bad Faith to apply his considerable media criticism talents to the current news cycle. He weighs in on Ezra Klein's sudden willingness to acknowledge the apartheid reality of Israel's occupation, and on the broader shift in the discourse around AIPAC donations and US funding for the Iron Dome. Are these signs of genuine political evolution, or is this hasbara intended to get Democrats back on board with America's increasingly unpopular ally? How complicit are AOC and Bernie Sanders in all this? Also, Adam weighs in on the Democrats' policing of Hasan Piker, including during his recent sit down with Pod Save America co-host Jon Favreau. With Briahna, Adam evaluates the rhetorical value of Hasan's "Hamas is better than Israel" argument, and Abdul El-Sayed's viral "define a Jewish state" response to Zionist reporter Olivia Reingold. But first, Adam discusses his book: An important accounting of all the ways establishment liberal media manufactured consent for genocide.
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| 0:00.0 | Again, it goes back to the central question, which is like, do you, how do you allow space for genuine change or people like supporting policies without everything being accused of being some sheepdoging sciop? The problem is that a lot of it is sheepdoging sciops. And so like, you have to make that decision. I don't know that that's the question or that's the problem. I don't think it's difficult to discern the difference. I don't think that anyone even hesitated with Tom Nisi Coates because he got new information. |
| 0:24.6 | He... problem. I don't think it's difficult to discern the difference. I don't think that anyone even hesitated with Tom Nisi Coates because he got new information. He called himself out. He showed |
| 0:27.5 | genuine, yeah, I haven't heard Ezra Klein saying, damn, I am so embarrassed. Oh, I suppose I was |
| 0:33.8 | talking less about Ezra Klein than I was talking about, like, I mean, you know, for example. |
| 0:38.1 | Or even AOC. I would love to hear AOC say, I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I went to the DNC stage and said Kamala Harris was tirelessly fighting for a ceasefire when it was clear then and it's clearer now that Joe Biden never even attempted a ceasefire. |
| 0:52.7 | I mean, it's clear that I think to have any credibility and not to like launder my own opinions to that of the left, but I think to have any credibility with the left or the progressive lane, at the very least, as an ante to play that game, she would have to apologize and acknowledge that what she did was very hurtful to a lot of people. Because again, I was reporting for the nation both inside and outside the DNC, |
| 1:11.6 | both uncommitted, the uncommitted movement that was staging those demonstrations outside the United |
| 1:16.6 | Center and with the protest outside. And I can tell you just anecdotally, aside from my own |
| 1:21.8 | personal, you know, it was deeply hurtful because the premise of tirelessly working is that |
| 1:27.4 | everyone protesting is an idiot. Because if they're tirelessly working on something, why would you protest at all? Right? And of course, the premise that they were tirelessly working on a ceasefire was false. And the protesters' premise that it was all a ruse was obviously correct. And everyone knew it was correct at the time. Because the U.S. is the largest empire in human history and doesn't need to tirelessly work on anything. It either does or it doesn't do something. |
| 1:48.1 | You either want something or you don't want something. And if it doesn't happen, it means you don't want it. Even Bernie Sanders' speech, which was, you know, still ra-rah-rah vote for Biden, didn't even do that. You know, so it's like there was no reason for that. |
| 1:58.2 | It was gratuitous. |
| 1:59.0 | It was a gratuitous intervention that I thought existed solely to discipline the left in a way that was taking away the only leverage they had at that moment. And now, if she wants to say, like, look, Trump would be worse and history has proven it correct because X, Y, and Z, and I knew it was a lie and I said it was a lie because X, you know, why, you know, |
| 2:18.0 | we needed to get the left on board. It's like, I would think that's pretty vulgar and I wouldn't |
| 2:21.8 | agree with that assessment, but at least like you have to address it, right? Because right now, it's like, obviously what she said. People will say obviously what you said was not true, but she felt like she had to, blah, blah, blah. |
| 2:30.2 | And it's like, yeah, okay. |
| 2:32.7 | But, you know, if that's the case, |
| 2:34.4 | then this comes back to credibility. |
| 2:36.5 | Again, all you have to Nima always says is that blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, okay. But, you know, if that's the case, then this comes back to |
| 2:35.5 | credibility. Again, all you have to an email always says is that Palestine in general is a canary in the coal mine of selling out. If you sell out Palestine, you will sell out literally everything else because it's the hardest thing to have a principal position on. Now, I will say, in the interest of trying to be fair. AOC's actual votes are relative to Congress, very to the left, right? She's |
| 2:54.3 | supported various. position on. Now, I will say, in the interest of trying to be fair, AOC's actual votes are |
| 2:52.1 | relative to Congress very to the left, right? She's supported various arms of Brogert. I'm just saying. |
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