Episode 56 - Persona
This Jungian Life Podcast
Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano
4.7 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 25 April 2019
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
This episode, inspired by the new album by the Korean band BTS, explains and amplifies the Jungian concept of the persona. Like the cornea of the eye, persona both shields us and makes opening up to the world possible. In ancient Greek theater, the actors wore masks that identified their roles, or personae. Similarly, we adjust our outward presentation to others according to the appropriate roles we play in the workplace, with neighbors, or close friends and family. A persona that is too rigid can give one a center that is too determined by outside values and influences; a persona that is not solid enough can result in poor adaptation to the outer world or one that can be swept away by incursions from the unconscious. Altogether the persona is the social archetype and represents a compromise between adaption to social realities and individuality.
The Dream:
My wife and I are in a kitchen, or someplace with wooden cabinets and soffits, and wooden counters. It might not be a kitchen.
There’s this large wooden head standing on the counter. It’s larger than a human head, elongated, and stylized like an Easter Island head but more handsome, no huge ears, and carved in more detail.
The head says things. Periodically, not like a conversation. I notice that the things it’s saying are very articulate, and it's very charming.
My wife is making something out of plastic. It’s a rigid container or sheath that fits the head exactly. We try to distract the head so that it doesn’t object, but he doesn’t notice as we lower him gently into the plastic casing. It just keeps talking, on and off. Finally, we screw the lid on top.
We can still hear a muffled talking. I worry if he can breathe.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this Jungian life. |
| 0:03.0 | Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee, |
| 0:09.0 | invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. |
| 0:17.0 | I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. |
| 0:22.0 | I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a young |
| 0:24.7 | Ian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I'm Deborah Stewart, a youngian |
| 0:29.4 | analyst on Cape Cod. So in today's episode we're going to be talking about the |
| 0:35.8 | persona and this is something that is remarkably present in the popular culture right now. |
| 0:44.0 | As many of you know, there is a K-pop band from Korea called BTS |
| 0:50.0 | and they have rediscovered a book by Murray Stein, a young |
| 0:56.0 | analyst called Map of the Soul and they have titled their recent album |
| 1:02.3 | Map of the Soul, persona, and even some Jungian ideas have showed |
| 1:07.0 | up in some of their videos. So we thought that we would drop down a little deeper |
| 1:13.5 | and talk about what is the persona, |
| 1:17.4 | why do we need it, when does it become a problem, |
| 1:21.2 | and how can we understand this effectively? |
| 1:25.0 | Wow, that's a really important, it's an important part of the structure of the |
| 1:29.8 | psyche just to set it in a context of the persona, the ego, the personal shadow, or personal |
| 1:39.9 | unconscious, the collective unconscious. |
| 1:42.7 | So we're talking about what, according to Jung, |
| 1:45.7 | is one of the key components of our psychological structure. |
| 1:51.0 | Jung called them functional complexes because he noticed that these psychological structures |
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