Welcome to Crystal Cullen Friends. We have a wonderful guest for you today who we are very

excited to speak with. One of the former Gravel teens, he's now, I think, a Gravel

20-something year old.

Now he's a Gravel senior citizen. That is correct. He's joined the AARP.

Three Williams, he was part of the Gravel campaigning, launched that campaign and has now

co-founded the Gravel Institute and is doing really important work to build up left infrastructure,

just very excited to get his perspective.

Yeah, I will say, I was a little too harsh on them at the beginning. So I just watched

their documentary, American Godfly about Gravel and the campaign and everything. And

at the beginning, I remember when they announced the run, first of all, as such a Bernie

bro, I was like, it all goes to Bernie. In my mind, that's like, what are you doing?

Bernie's Bernie. So that was my initial reaction. But then also the cynical part of me, and again,

I was incorrect in this, but the cynical part of me was like, I think these teens are just

trying to get clout. And I think it's about them. And what is clear to me now that I've

learned since then is actually no, it was actually the polar opposite. They wanted to take

a senator who they know and respect and knew a lot about this guy as an American hero,

and really stood for moral values and ethics and doing the right thing and dismantling the

American empire and all the right things. And they wanted to take his legacy and remind everybody

of that legacy. But then also serve the function of like, no, let's shift the over 10 window and

make this election, this primary, actually about the issues. And yes, you have Bernie Sanders

on stage. Yes, he's amazing. But you know what? There are some areas where Bernie Sanders can

improve. Yeah. And so they said, we're going to be his left flank. We're going to try to drive

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