Hello and welcome back to Franklin Covey's On Leadership Series.

My name is Scott Miller and I serve as your host and interviewer each week.

This week our guest is the renowned best-selling author Gretchen Rubin who's authored numerous books

including The Happiness Project which has sold over 2 million books which is

insane in the book world.

She's also the host of the wildly popular podcast Happier

and the author of the new book, Outer Order,

Inner Calm.

Gretchen Rubin, welcome to on leadership.

I'm so happy to be talking to you.

I mean, Gretchen, you have so many accolades, right?

I mean, you've sold over 3 million books.

You've been interviewed by Oprah.

You've been an answer to a Jeopardy question. I mean that's sort of arcane but that's pretty cool. Tell us about that.

Yeah, I didn't get to see it live but as soon as it aired, a bunch of my readers and

listeners started flooding me with congratulatory emails. I was like,

what's going on? And I did manage to see a clip of it on TV. So yeah,

that was a big, that was a very surreal experience. I mean that's

just currency for dinner parties you can't escape right that's just good for life.

Yes it sure is everybody knows Jeopardy.

Hey, so I want to talk today mostly about

outer order, inner calm, your newest book.

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