Welcome to Our Henhouse. This is Jasmine Singer.

And this is Marianne Sullivan.

And we're so happy you're joining us this week.

Marianne will be interviewing Christoph Don't and Gordon Hodson.

I hope I said that right.

And they've just edited a book that attempts to answer the

question, the question that we pretty much ask ourselves basically all the time, why we love and

exploit animals. I think you'll be surprised at how many people are thinking seriously about and

writing about this question compared to just a few years ago. It was a very exciting interview,

and there's so much research going into this,

which I kind of had no idea of.

And so I think people will be really interested in hearing this,

because, you know, it is kind of, as you said, the question.

And on the bonus segment this week, I continued my conversation with Christoph and Gordon. And if you're a

flock member, you'll get that link to the bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after this

podcast goes up or you can always find it on the flock Facebook group. And if you're not a member

of the flock and you can afford it, you can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate.

What a steal.

Also, as a special thank you to our flock community,

we're going to be doing our flock Friday Zoom call

every Friday at 4 p.m. Eastern, that's 1 p.m. Pacific

and all sorts of different times around the world,

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