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I'm your host, Ricardo Rends.

Also knows Ricky Vranes. I don't know why he said it like that. I sound like a fake MC.

Yes, today we have an amazing conversation. Of course, I always tell you guys that.

But one of my favorite people to chat with richard grove he's a historian

podcaster writer researcher documentary filmmaker the founder and creator of the university of reason

the founder and host of the grand theft world podcast somebody who went from a Ripleffect podcast, podcast friend to

becoming a real friend and actually being able to hang out during his birthday and many other

occasions. He's just a fun and incredibly intelligent person to talk to. Anytime you have a

conversation with Richard, his vocabulary, his knowledge, his insight,

his perspective on things is always fascinating and thought-provoking.

But today we kind of took a different route.

Usually when you hear Richard talk, you're going to hear a lot of information.

You're going to hear a lot of historical references.

And you do get some of that.

But we also share a lot of our personal, and you do get some of that. But we also share a lot of our

personal stories and insights and experiences that I think help mold the guys that are chatting

today on this podcast. So it was a fun, casual conversation. I think because we have been friends

for so long and we've hung out in person multiple times that we were able to have a very

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