On this episode of Neutral, in his new book, The Case for Neuks, how we can beat global

warming and create a free, open and magnificent future, Dr. Robert Zubrin makes a very strong

case that opposing nuclear energy and driving up its cost has turned out to be the wrong

choice given the current importance of reducing carbon emissions globally.

As he very clearly explains, we already have the technology to provide human civilization

with unlimited and clean energy.

Here to discuss his new book, I am really pleased to welcome back my guest and good friend,

Robert Zubrin.

He's the president of Pioneer Astronautics, an aerospace research and development company

in Colorado, the founder and president of the Mars Society and a former staff engineer

at Lockheed Martin, Astronautics.

Robert, welcome back and thank you for joining me in the Neutral, no one to remind our listeners.

This is the second time you've joined me.

We last spoke in June 2021 about why SpaceX's Starship will change everything.

So it's the usual you're right at the cutting edge.

Why don't you start because you're so broadly informed and so broadly intelligent.

How did you get here?

What was your track and your growth personally that gets you to where you are today?

Well, my doctorate actually is in nuclear engineering and I worked in the nuclear field

before I worked in aerospace and I was originally hired by then Martin Marietta, which is now

Lockheed Martin, to do some nuclear space propulsion stuff for them.

And then when that contract ended, I moved on to other areas of aerospace, which is how

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