Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer.

And this is Mary Ann Sullivan.

And we're so happy you're joining us this week.

Marianne will be speaking with Ava Mayer, who is a fascinating scholar and author based in the Netherlands,

who writes about the fact that animals

have languages. And if we would only listen to what they're saying, things would be different.

This is a mind-blowing interview. I just want to tell you. Like, she is an incredibly accomplished

woman. And she has really, really deep fascinating insights about animals. You know,

sometimes you come across somebody who turns your head around, even about something you know a lot

about. And that's this interview. Yeah, you've been talking about it nonstop. I'm excited to

finally hear it. So this week on the bonus segment, which is of course available to all of

our flock members, Ava will be joining me for a little more close up and personal extra. If you're a

member, you'll get an email the Tuesday after this podcast goes up with that link or you can find

it on the flock Facebook group. If you're not a member of the flock, and you can afford it in

these difficult times, some of you can.

Some of you can't feel like those divisions are getting even more dramatic.

But anyway, if you can, you can join for $10 a month at our handhouse.org slash donate,

and we would very, very much appreciate it.

And also as a special thank you to our flock and our community. We are doing these flock Friday

Zoom calls every week at 4 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Pacific. And these Zoom calls really let us get up

close and personal with flock members and also discuss some of the topics that we're all struggling

with or maybe things we want to know more about. Sometimes we have special guests lead workshops

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