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Habits and Hustle

Episode 541: Jon McNeill: Why “Less” and “Simple” are the Smartest Growth Strategies

Habits and Hustle

Jen Cohen

Entrepreneurship, Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Business

4.5818 Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Most leaders think complexity is a sign of sophistication. Jon McNeill, former president of Tesla and CEO of Lyft, thinks it's the number one reason businesses stall. Every hour spent on complexity, unnecessary processes, and misallocated resources is an hour taken away from what actually drives growth. We tend to overcomplicate and add more (more products, more people, more strategy) over what the business really needs. We dive deeper into this in the latest episode of Habits and Hustle with Jen Cohen. We also discuss why the most successful companies are built on radical simplicity, how to find where your real growth is hiding, and the repeatable framework Jon McNeill used to scale Tesla, Lyft, and six companies of his own. Jon McNeill is the author of The Algorithm and founder of DBX Ventures. As former president of Tesla and CEO of Lyft, Jon has spent his career walking into complex, high-stakes businesses and finding the one move that unlocks everything else.  His framework is not just for founders but also a life skill for anyone who wants to think clearer and move faster. What's Discussed: (14:03) The Tesla sales crisis nobody talks about & the simple fix that saved an entire quarter. (21:10) How Tesla went from 64 clicks to buy a car down to 10. (23:44) Why the best leaders are the greatest simplifiers. (31:40) Why the performance review is broken: The two questions that replace the whole thing. (34:23) The Sam Walton habit to easily spot what’s broken in a business. (36:02) The culture that made Tesla unstoppable: humility and confidence. (46:38) How Lyft doubled by asking one question. (1:10:47) What’s the iPod's two-sentence product definition that teaches you why most products fail. (1:12:42) Why the best product does not always win and what actually does. (1:17:46) The two habits behind every fast-scaling company. (1:07:43) Why AI is not the job killer everyone thinks it is. Thank you to our sponsors: Head to AirDoctorPro.com and use promo code HUSTLE to get UP TO $300 off today!AirDoctor comes with a 30-day money back guarantee, plus a 3-year warranty—an $84value, free! AX3: Visit www.AX3.life to get a 20% discount on your first order with promo code HUSTLE at checkout.Visit getkion.com/habits for 20% off Find more from Jen:  Website: https://jennifercohen.com Instagram: @therealjencohen Books: https://jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Jon:  Website: https://www.dvx.ventures/fullbio/jon-mcneill Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonmcneill1/ Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/799958/the-algorithm-by-jon-mcneill/

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0:00.0

Hi, guys. It's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

0:07.7

Guys, this guy is his name is John McNeil. He wrote a new book called The Algorithm. And this guy's

0:13.2

resume will blow your mind. Okay? Like, you were the president of SpaceX. Tesla. Tesla.

0:20.8

But you were also at SpaceX. I was at SpaceX every Friday because that's where our design center is down in Hartford. Oh, so you didn't work. Okay, so it says here, even on the title of the book, I'm going to read your bio. Normally I don't. Normally I do a, I read the bio afterwards, and then I input it. But let's just do this together, shall we? Okay. Let's see here.

0:40.7

The CEO and co-founder of, well, your new company is called DVX Ventures, former president of Tesla,

0:47.2

and CEO of C.O.O of Lyft and current board member of GM, Little Lemon, CrossFit, and Stash,

0:53.6

and a company called Assyrian. Assyrian. Yeah. But also, that's just like the little bit of it. You were also a consultant at Bain. Yeah. You exited your own six companies. You had six companies that you already exited. Yeah. This is just like icing on the cake. like being Elon Musk's number two was just like, oh yeah, and by the way, that's also what I do. Like your resume, and I will give it better service, it will be in the intro better, is insanely impressive. Yeah, I feel like the forest gop of business. Like I've been able to like cobble this together.

1:27.7

It's been pretty fun.

1:28.1

Really though?

1:28.8

I mean, okay, so let's start with the beginning because if you're at Bain, we're at McKinsey also? No, just Bain. Okay, just Bain. Like, they're not picking dummies. So like you obviously had like pretty, a great pedigree even to get chosen to be at Bain. So what was your like academic background?

1:45.5

I had to bake my way into Bain. So what was your like academic background?

1:45.5

I had to beg my way into Bain because I was a, I went to a Big Ten school.

1:49.3

You went northwestern. Yeah. They hadn't hired non-Ivey League kids before. And so I literally had to

1:55.5

beg my way into Bain. Really? Okay. Myself and two other two other guys, we were the first

2:00.3

non-Ivies hired at Bain. Well, that even says something already. Like if you had to beg your way or they took only two non-Ivey leagues, what would make you special enough that they picked you? I think it was, I worked my way through college, and I went school in Chicago, and I worked at the Board of Trade. Okay. And I was doing these crazy trading algorithms. I was coding in college. And I think that story got me in because they were like, ooh, this kid's been moving like $10 or $20 million around per trade. He must not be a dummy. Right. So that's what got me in. Yeah. And so then you're at Bain. Yeah. And then what I also found super interesting about your story

2:35.6

was that usually people who are working at the consultancy, like as consultants, they're not

2:40.3

entrepreneurs themselves, right? But they saw something in you that they thought, hey, you should

2:45.9

be an entrepreneur. You should get the hell out of here, basically. I don't know what was in the

2:49.5

water at Bain at that point, but they were hiring a bunch of

2:52.7

entrepreneurs, and they were kind of entrepreneurs themselves. So they started this venture capital

2:55.7

firm because they were so entrepreneurial. And you know the name of like one of the people

2:59.7

that founded the venture capital firm, Mitt Romney, founded this thing. So out of the 72 kids I was

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