Welcome to our hen house. This is Jasmine Singer.

And this is Marianne Sullivan. Thank you so much for joining us this week.

Marianne has a fascinating interview this week with Josh Burson, who wrote The Meat Question,

Animals, Humans, and the Deep History of Food.

Yeah, this is one crazy interview, really fascinating work, really deep stuff. So I hope you all

really enjoy listening to Josh as much as I enjoy talking to him. I'm sure you will. This week on the

bonus segment, which is available,

of course, to all of our flock members. Josh has been kind enough to read an excerpt from the book,

and after you hear the interview, you really kind of want to hear more from the book. And it has to do

with the change in our, in the human psyche, when animals went from being persons, even one, even persons who, who were

killed for food or whatever, but they, they were individuals and they were accepted as such to what

they are now, just property that people don't even give it thought to as we slaughter them by

the billions and they are just completely things. So,

fascinating chapter. He's a really good writer. If you're a member, you'll get the email the

Tuesday after this podcast goes up with that link. Or you can always find it on the flock Facebook

page if you're not a member of the flock and flock Facebook group. I'm not supposed to say

flock Facebook page, am I? No. It's a Facebook group. I don't have all my Facebook terms in a row.

That's okay. So if you're not a member of the flock and you're at a position where you can afford it and I know

some of you are not and I know some people are really struggling,

but if you can't afford it, you can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate.

And also as a special thank you to our flock and community during this tough time, we are doing

flock Friday Zoom calls. So if you're in the flock, then they are Fridays at 4 p.m. Eastern or 1 p.m.

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