Episode 54: Pooping on Ecstasy (Pain, Pleasure, and the Ethics of Breeding)

Very Bad Wizards

Tamler Sommers & David Pizarro

Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.8 • 3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2014

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Tamler and David get bullied into talking about "anti-natalism," (the view that it is unethical to bring a being into existence), and to defend our ethical position as "breeders." Well, one of us defends it, at least. The other one? Well, you'll have to judge for yourself... Along the way we discuss how much pleasure you would need to equal the pain and suffering you've experienced, the joy of pooping (especially while on E), and Tamler explains why he calls David a Kantian, and why he thinks it's such an insult. For those who have missed the arguing, it's back on this one.

Links

Anti-Natalism [wikipedia.org]
Ecclesiastes 4:2-3 [usccb.org]: And those now dead, I declared more fortunate in death than are the living to be still alive. And better off than both is the yet unborn, who has not seen the wicked work that is done under the sun.
"No Life is Good" David Benatar. [Philosopher's Magazine]
Don't Have Any Children, by David Benatar [moreintelligentlife.com]
David Benatar Radio Interview (MP3) on 702.co.za
Every Conceivable Harm: A Further Defence of Anti-Natalism by David Benatar [squarespace.com]
Baumeister, R. F., Bratslavsky, E., Finkenauer, C., & Vohs, K. D. (2001). Bad is stronger than good. Review of general psychology, 5(4), 323. [Thanks to listener Brian Erb]

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0:00.0	Very bad wizards is a podcast with a philosopher, my dad, and a psychologist, Dave Pizarro,
0:06.1	having an informal discussion about issues and science and ethics.
0:09.5	Please note that the discussion contains bad words that I'm out of allow to say,
0:13.8	and knowing my dad some very inappropriate jokes.
0:18.2	Pain, a damage, don't end the world.
0:22.6	The world ends when you're dead.
0:25.6	Until then, you got more punishment in store.
0:29.6	Stand it like a man.
0:32.2	And give some back.
0:36.2	Look, baby, I'm his spoken.
0:40.2	I do attention to that man behind the curtain.
0:49.2	Who are you?
0:51.2	Who are you?
0:53.2	I'm very bad, man.
0:54.2	I'm a very good man.
0:56.2	Good man.
1:00.2	They think he's lost.
1:01.2	And with no more brains than you have.
1:04.2	Pain in our attention.
1:06.2	Come on, man.
1:10.2	Anybody can have a brain.
1:14.2	You're a very bad man.
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