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Episode 537 Promo - Epstein, Chomsky, & Big Tech's Plan for Human Extinction (w/ Émile Torres)

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 December 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Philosopher, author, and co-host of Dystopia Now Émile Torres joins Bad Faith to discuss his coverage of Noam Chomsky & the Epstein files before engaging in a broader conversation about Big Tech titans' emphasis on a dystopian transhumanism that's rooted in eugenics and an unfounded faith in their own genetic superiority. How should the left compete with this Silicon Valley vision of the future? Does it look like Star Trek? Plur1bus? Or Bicentennial Man? Is human extinction necessarily bad if our moral "accounting" balances the beauty of humanity against our capacity for cruelty? A fascinating conversation you won't want to skip.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

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0:00.0

I'm struggling with the incongruity between the idea that we need to build this superintelligence to solve the world's problems, but then also it doesn't matter if they solve the problems for the people in the world.

0:11.9

We need the superintelligence to solve all the sickness, aging, hunger, and poverty, I guess, although you didn't say those and they don't care about those,

0:21.2

but I'm throwing those in there. And then to say, well, in the aftertimes, once this is achieved,

0:26.7

what happens to the human beings? Oh, it doesn't really matter. What was the point?

0:31.9

This gets back to an earlier issue, because there are some of these individuals, some of these

0:36.5

test serial people who accept a pro-extinction

0:38.7

view, who would say that, yes, artificial beings ought to just completely replace humanity.

0:44.6

Larry Page, for example, the co-founder of Google holds his view.

0:48.0

We should be replaced.

0:48.7

There are tons of examples.

0:50.0

The whole effective exploration.

0:50.9

What is the rationale?

1:28.7

That it is the natural next step in cosmic evolution. What does that mean? That's... And if you don't understand that, it's because of your small mind and your inability to grasp big, big, deep thoughts. Okay, Mr. Teleological argument. Like, come on, like, actually make a point, maybe. It's just obvious. It's just axiomatic. If you don't understand it, if you don't get it, then you're just not like a deep thinker like us. This is just the way the universe was meant to be. So here's the thing. There are others who say, yes, post-humanity should replace us, but some of us should become post-humans. Right. So it's a different kind of replacement. You know, Peter Thiel holds his view. He thinks it matters a ton that he

1:34.0

becomes one of those post-humans. I don't think he gives a shit. Am I allowed to curse?

1:38.9

I don't think he gives a shit about, sorry, I don't know, about...

1:43.0

Pause was adorable.

1:46.7

About people around the world, for example, in poor countries.

1:50.6

He doesn't get a shit about what happens to them, right?

1:54.4

But he thinks it would be a huge tragedy if he were unable to become post-human.

1:58.0

So there are lots of other transhumanists who would say the same thing.

2:00.9

So yes, our species would disappear, but that would not entail that I disappear. Does that make

2:07.3

sense? Yeah, if I could just, my takeaway from this, the lack of thought about the next step,

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