Hello and welcome to the long form podcast. I'm Aaron Lammer. I'm here with my co-host Max Linsky and Evan Ralliff.

Hey guys. Hey you guys. I have a I have a caveat for this intro.

Whoa, which is the thing that you don't know is that almost every time we record these intros, my dog is like one foot away from me.

I didn't know that, but she's really like she's cutting logs right now. She's snoring real loud. So it's a pre apology on Reba's behalf because I feel like she's going to snore into the microphone.

Okay. With that caveat in mind, I talked to Brady Dale.

It's a long time cryptocurrency reporter. He is currently running the Axios crypto newsletter, but that's not actually what I wanted to talk to him about.

I wanted to talk to him about writing the book. He just came out with SPF, how the FTX bankruptcy unwound crypto is very bad. Good guy.

But it wasn't even the topic of this book, which I am interested in that rat me in, but how quickly he wrote it. This is a book about events that came to a head in November of last year.

I believe he finished the book in January or February of this year, and it's coming out now. I can't say this definitively, but I believe it is the most rapidly constructed on the news cycle book that we've ever talked about on the show.

And I kind of wanted to talk to him about how you do that, why you do that, and what kind of work it produces. Because I think over the time we've been doing this show, there's been sort of a split between talking to people who do magazine style reporting and book style reporting.

And I wanted to talk about the kinds of topics that are so fresh that you really have to do them very, very quickly. If you want to do them at all, going to be stale in a couple of years.

There's also a Michael Lewis book on the same topic coming soon. We talked about that and all of those things that come into play when you want to tackle a sizzling hot up to the minute story like this one.

Book writing seems so daunting that I I would never have like the the nerve to try it myself anyway, but those seem like incredibly difficult book writing conditions.

I would think that I would take that long, like watching YouTube videos about different book writing software before I even started. I would be like, OK, I need the scrivener master course before I even get cooking on this thing.

Yeah, that's like a two month project of itself. Easily.

We make this show in partnership with Vox. Thanks very much to them for their support. Now here's Aaron with Brady Day.

Hello, welcome, Brady Dale. Hey, Aaron, great to be here.

OK, you have a new book out. Yes, this book is called SPF how the FTX bankruptcy unwound cryptos very bad. Good guy. Yes.

Unsurprisingly, this book is about the collapse of the FTX exchange. And when I first thought about doing this interview, I we've been friendly for a long time.

I of course wanted to have you on, but I was like, wow, we already had the coin desk people during the polka wards who sort of actually are characters in this story that sort of kick it off.

And I know Michael Lewis has got a book coming out about this. I'm like, no big deal. Is this too much FTX, but actually when I got a copy of it started reading it, I found something that I think would be really interesting to talk about that we've never talked about on the show before.

Which is what it's like to write a book really, really fast about a topic that is not yet resolved and probably won't yet be resolved when the book came out.

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