Episode 531: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism? with Paul D. Miller
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.5 • 4.4K Ratings
🗓️ 19 October 2022
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
Everyone is suddenly talking about Christian nationalism. Some on the political right are embracing the label, while others on the political left are condemning it. Bart Barber, the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, was interviewed on 60 Minutes this week to explain why Christian nationalism is fundamentally anti-Baptist. But Al Mohler, another influential SBC leader, is less eager to condemn Christian nationalism and takes a more nuanced view. Mohler also says any Christian who doesn't vote for the Republican Party is being "unfaithful to God." The Holy Post crew unpacks his argument.
Then, Skye interviews Georgetown professor, Paul D. Miller, about his new book, "The Religion of American Greatness: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism." Miller defines Christian nationalism historically, and explains why it is both anti-American and anti-Christian. Plus—When you give a pig a beer...
Bonus Patreon Interview with Paul D. Miller: Ukraine & Nuclear Armageddon - https://www.patreon.com/posts/73474701/
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News Segment
00:44 - Intro
2:39 - Phil's animation adventures
7:53 - Animal News
12:09 - SBC leaders on Christian nationalism
42:07 - Sponsor: Biola University's Talbot School of Theology
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Interview with Paul D. Miller
"The Religion of American Greatness: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism" - https://amzn.to/3gi48we
43:24 - Interview intro
44:57 - Paul's background
47:59 - What is Christian nationalism?
49:42 - Critique of Christian nationalism
54:18 - Christian nationalism then and now
1:03:11 - Race and Christian nationalism
1:11:05 - Nationalism vs nationality
1:12:57 - Advice for spiritual leaders
1:17:29 - Credits
Links from news segment:
"Feral pig pinches multiple six-packs of beer and runs riot at Pilbara camp sites" - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/beer-swilling-swine/4946072
Southern Baptist Convention President Bart Barber on Trump, abortion, sex abuse in the church and more (CBS) - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southern-baptist-convention-president-bart-barber-60-minutes-2022-10-09/
"The Guardrails" (The Run-Up podcast) - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/podcasts/run-up-trump-evangelical-republican.html
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Transcript
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| 0:44.0 | Welcome to The Holypost. Everyone is suddenly talking about Christian nationalism. Some on the right are embracing the label, while others on the left are condemning it. |
| 0:54.0 | This week, we talk about Bart Barber, the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, who was interviewed on 60 minutes, |
| 1:00.0 | who explained why Christian nationalism is fundamentally anti-baptist. But Al Moller, another influential SPC leader, is less eager to condemn Christian nationalism and takes a more nuanced approach. |
| 1:12.0 | He also says that Christians who don't vote for the Republican Party are being unfaithful to God. We unpack his argument. |
| 1:19.0 | Then I interview Georgetown professor Paul Miller about his new book, The Religion of American Greatness. What's wrong with Christian nationalism? |
| 1:27.0 | Miller defines it historically and explains why Christian nationalism is both anti-American and anti-Christian. All of that, plus drunk animal news from Australia. |
| 1:38.0 | Here is episode 531. |
| 1:41.0 | Hey there, welcome back to The Holypost Podcast. This is Phil Fisher. I'm here with Skyjitani. |
| 1:46.0 | Hi Sky. Hi Phil. And Christian Taylor. Hi Christian. Hey Phil, how you doing? Good. Good. Who was it last week? Sky said hi to everybody. |
| 1:56.0 | I did and you took a fan. Yeah, I was specifically saying hi to you. |
| 2:00.0 | Because Caitlin said hi to me. Okay, so I appreciate that. You're a learning organism. That's good. It's good to be a learner, a lifelong learner. |
| 2:07.0 | And Christians here too, who always, I don't have to correct her. She just does everything right. Unlike that. Unlike that. |
| 2:17.0 | And now it's time for the theme song. |
| 2:20.0 | What's the news that you like the most? Who's your favorite podcast host? If it's breakfast, get your toast. It's Sky and Phil and the Holypost. |
| 2:32.0 | And sometimes Christian. Hey, do either of you know what blender is? Are you familiar with blender? Christian, you know what blender is? I do. |
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