Okay, we're going to be joined by Dr. Tom Williams.

He's a colleague of mine from when I ran Breitbart as executive chairman.

Dr. Williams is from Rome, lives in Rome, and he's going to talk about the importance of Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday, the entire Easter weekend, in the Catholic

community, in the Catholic faith tradition.

One of the smartest guys I know.

Dr. Tom Williams joins us next in the world.

Dr. Williams, before I get into, you've written this book, and it's really, I want to spend

a better part of the hour going through the argument in the book

because I think it is of this weekend, the holiest weekend in the Christian calendar for people

to contemplate exactly where we are as a faith in the persecution directed towards the faith.

Walk us through from a Catholic perspective the the importance of Holy Saturday you know

people know Good Friday and the crucifixion of Christ Holy Thursday with the last

supper and the rest Gethsemini and then you've got but Holy Saturday kind of a lot of

times gets lost in the mix and obviously with the with Easter but

what's the importance of Holy Saturday and particularly this belief of of Christ descent

into hell yeah there are there are two things thank you Steve and and it's good to be with

you on this very very holy day there are two traditions that go way way back. One that goes back furthest is the one

you just mentioned, the idea of Christ's descent into hell. It's a hell that's a little different

than the way we understand hell today in the sense that he went to lead out the souls of the just who had died before his coming.

It's a basic Christian belief that up till Christ redeemed the world up to the time of

his suffering on the cross, all those good and holy prophets, men and women of God who had

lived since the time of Adam, since the fall of Adam and Eve,

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