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On this episode of Neutral, in his new book, Not Accountable, rethinking the constitutionality of public employee unions,

Philip K Howard argues that public employee unions undermine democratic governance and should be on constitution.

American voters alike governors and mayors who, under union agreements, have been disempowered from managing schools, police departments, and other public agencies.

He presents a searing five-point indictment that constitutional government can't work when elected leaders lose control over the public operating machinery.

Here to discuss his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, Philip K Howard, he's a longtime friend,

a leader of government at legal reform in America. He is chair of common good and a best-selling author.

He has advised both political parties on needed reforms.

You're welcome and thank you for joining me on News World.

It's great to be with you again, Newt.

So you've had a very unusual background to get to where you are now, as I understand it, starting at Oak Ridge National Lab.

Yeah, I got a job at the Federal Property Program. My parents weren't very rich.

And I got appointed to be the gopher to a Nobel Prize winner named Eugene Vignor for three summers when I was in college,

and ended up publishing papers when I was a teenager on economic matters.

And it was a fantastic education because the best education is to be with really smart people and see how they think,

and to see how they do things. And it was just luck, but it was good luck.

When you have those kind of summers as a young person, near somebody who was as brilliant as Vignor was,

when you look back, what do you think of the big things you've learned?

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