Hello, welcome to the Longform Podcast. I'm Max Lenskim, here's my co-host, Aaron Lammer,

Evan Ratliff, gentlemen. Hello. Always a pleasure to join you in the introduction to this program.

Max, who have you got for us? This week on the show, I talked to Delia Kai. Delia, as I am sure

you guys are familiar with, is behind the newsletter, These Links. There's a media newsletter.

She started it as a fellow at the Atlantic magazine, and it recently landed her job as the

senior Vanity's correspondent at Vanity Fair. So she's now at Vanity Fair. We talked about that. We

also talked about her new book. It's a novel. It came out this week. It's called Central Places. We

talked about that book and how it fits into her media life and how you parlay a newsletter into

a full-time job and why she didn't want the newsletter to be anything more than what it was.

It was a great conversation. Really enjoyed talking to her. I feel like I learned something

about how the media works now, you guys. Wow, even grizzled Max? Learned something about how the

media works? No, I had no spoilers, but this interview did make me feel very old. I should tell you

I definitely am at an all-time low of knowing how the media works right now for the entire

run of this podcast. It was very kind of Deelia to come and give me tutorials. Very helpful.

I do know, however, that this show is produced in partnership with Vox Media. They help us make it,

which we thank them for. Thank you to everyone over there at the Vox Media.

And now here's Max with Deelia Kai.

Hi, Deelia. Hi, Max. Thanks for doing the podcast.

Oh my god. Thank you so much for having me. It's very exciting for me. We're in person.

Yes. Which is like I feel like still is rare enough that I have to note it.

Yeah. And I feel like I'm talking to you like a kind of wild moment.

Yeah. Yeah. I think I've just like blocked out so much of it that day to day. I'm just like,

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