Episode 519: Andrew Bustamante: Reading People, Predicting Behavior and Creating Leverage
Habits and Hustle
Jen Cohen
4.4 ⢠800 Ratings
đď¸ 13 January 2026
âąď¸ 129 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, guys. It's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it. |
| 0:06.2 | You guys, we have a special treat on this podcast. This is one I've actually been wanting to do for a very long time. I'm like a giddy school girl because you're so interesting. We have Andrew Bustamante. He is a former CIA agent who wrote a New York Times bestselling |
| 0:23.3 | book called Shadow Cell. He is going to talk. We're going to, I'm not even going to like give |
| 0:29.2 | you any more than that. I just want to say, thank you for being on the show. I'm fascinated |
| 0:34.5 | by you in every way. And what we do on this show to keep our focus and be |
| 0:40.2 | alert is we take these magic mind shots. Do you want to do me the honors? They're really healthy. |
| 0:46.4 | There's nothing in it except Lions May, Ashwaganda, all the things. And it helps people stay focused |
| 0:52.2 | and, you know, kind of locked in. All right. Let's get focused. This one has no caffeine, too. Thank you for that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I should actually, we go like this usually. Thank you. Do you like it? I can't drink more than like five a day, so. Woof. It's good, right? Yeah, like it's a lot smoother than I expected. It's really, it's super tasty, but I love them. But like I said, I can have like, because I do this podcast, I can't have them with every single if I have like one for every guest, I will literally be climbing off of the walls. You know what I mean? Anyway, so thank you for being on the show. You are very fascinating to me. Like I said, I've |
| 1:29.2 | really been like a fan of yours for a very long time. Can we just kind of, can you kind of give |
| 1:34.5 | like a very brief overview? I started the show by saying you were a covert CIA agent. What does |
| 1:40.8 | that even mean? Who are you? Kind of just give me, give everyone like kind of like a very brief overview and then we're going to dive right in. Absolutely. So CIA is broken into two parts. There's an overt part and a covert part. An overt is everybody who works for CIA. They can say they work for CIA. Their paycheck comes from CIA. Their mortgage says they work for CIA. |
| 2:02.5 | That's an overt employee. |
| 2:04.3 | But then there's a covert employee who has all of that undercover. |
| 2:08.9 | They work for a different company. |
| 2:10.6 | They have falsified information for their mortgages, falsified information that goes to the IRS. |
| 2:14.9 | It's all government sanctioned because the government |
| 2:17.8 | has put them in that covert role, but that's your covert side. So undercover operations |
| 2:23.0 | are known officially as covert operations, and the covert element of CIA is approximately |
| 2:28.1 | 10% of the whole of CIA. So how long were you in CIA? How long was that whole experience for you? I was active with |
| 2:36.3 | the National Clandestine Service, which is the undercover element inside CIA for seven years. |
| 2:41.7 | And did you start in the covert or were you in the overt and then get moved to covert? |
| 2:46.2 | So I started in the military and then I got pulled into the clandestine service from the military, |
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