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🗓️ 13 October 2025
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The battle for control over the Democratic Party continues with liberal gatekeeper Jonathan Chait arguing, yet again, that the party's failures are a consequence of being too beholden to the "left" -- even while corporate Dems got the 2024 campaign of their dreams. Former RI State Rep. Aaron Regunberg wrote a definitive response to these arguments and made the case for why left populism is the only way to beat right populism, and Kate Willett joins to talk about the Abundance faction that informs Chait's thinking and the choices of the Democratic elite.
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| 0:00.0 | the Kamala Harris campaign, which I followed very closely. And I followed closely the abundance |
| 0:05.8 | agenda take on it. Like, I'm thinking about Matthew Iglesias in particular. He, in addition to Jonathan |
| 0:13.7 | shade, he was praising this campaign again and again. He was one of the speakers and biggest |
| 0:19.8 | supporters of this group called Yimbies for Harris, where they were like, you know, she was one of the speakers and biggest supporters of this group called Yimbys for Harris, |
| 0:22.8 | where they were like, you know, she was running on the kind of exact granular zoning reform |
| 0:27.9 | that they want, which I don't mostly have a problem with, but it is kind of probably not a |
| 0:32.4 | compelling issue to be like the center of the campaign. |
| 0:35.4 | Matt Iglesias said that his biggest problem with Kamala Harris |
| 0:39.1 | was that he thought that she should be more permissive on like Bitcoin regulation, |
| 0:46.5 | cryptocurrency. Like she ran the exact neoliberal campaign that these d-bags love. And there's no world where, like, she was thinking |
| 0:56.2 | about getting rid of Lena Kahn because Reid Hoffman, who is one of the main upon its agenda |
| 1:02.1 | Silicon Valley funders because, you know, he hated her. None of these tech guys want to be regulated. |
| 1:07.1 | And it's, it's so much gaslighting that these dudes are now trying to be like, |
| 1:11.7 | oh, yeah, look, look what the left did, making Kamala Harris lose. Like, she ran their campaign. |
| 1:16.9 | We know that Iglesias was literally the most listened to pundit in the Biden White House that |
| 1:23.2 | was printed in the Washington Post. Like, these guys own that failure. |
| 1:44.7 | I know I've said this on the podcast, but I was really so triggered by this particular date. I swear to I went out with someone who I, I just, I brought that up, like, very casually, as everybody knows that Kamala Harris ran the centrist campaign of the centrist's dreams. And he was like, what do you mean? Like, what do you mean? Like, that's not true. |
| 1:48.9 | That's not true. She did what the left did. This is why I'm so triggered by this topic. And this is why I keep coming back to it. The TPP argument back at the time was that Clinton was seen as lying about it |
| 1:55.2 | because she had been so aggressively supportive of TPP, like a year before the campaign started. And when the wind shifted, |
| 2:03.1 | not because, quote unquote, the left pushed her left, yes, Bernie opposed TPP, but so did Trump. |
| 2:09.0 | Trump being critical of TPP, what was what made it, you know, a political hot potato and why she |
| 2:15.2 | backed away from it. So again and again throughout this piece, |
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